These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? Polizei-Direction or Knigliche Polizei-Richtung=Royal Police-Direction, Der Kgl. There is a Luftwaffe Eagle 2. police cleaning rods, describes them as: Original It worked through various Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.G. Pictured below are several Police Training and Instruction manuals dating from 1921 through 1949. A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. 113-114 - A combination of new information and reconsideration leads me to believe that the Type 3 markings S.D.I, II, III, IV and VI represented the large Schupo commands in Essen, Wuppertal, Dsseldorf, Duisburg-Hamborn and Oberhausen, respectively. German: German Mfg. I have several lugers and Broomhandles with the "HZaJt18" marking on them. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. What am I missing here? introduced sometime in the late 1920s, and later in the early 1930s, many being police acceptance marked on the shaft. this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. These HZA markings, excluding the WaAJL16 stampings which, as Costanzo states was specifically used by police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. Normally, as stated above, these cut-back artillery holsters utilized a toe plug, in this case the subject holster is about of an inch longer, allowing the leather smith enough materiel to fold over the toe opening, mostly conforming to the 1929 and later police holsters. The press scolded for its frequent use of "Roman characters" under "Jewish influence" and German migrs urged to use only "German script". Collectors tend to err toward a variation. Figure 47c shows a table or bench with several Police Lugers and accessories and particularly interesting in the foreground is a muzzle protector, next to three training rounds. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; The German purpose about HIPO was clear: To help Gestapo as a Danish helping-police. N.b.5. German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was The addition of the army style holster body belt buckle and cover flap strap closure, not a requirement of the police, suggests the possibility of continued use in the Wehrmacht.[3]. Holster is also marked Bahnschutz RBD Halle (S) Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. Einwohnerwehr in 1921. by Poot 06 May 2016, 17:38, Post 45aand Hardback with dust cover. This is exactly what I believe happened to this holster. Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. Brief explanation of the Danish HIPO-organization (as the name is mentioned again and again): HIPO was a Danish corps, established 1944 by the German Gestapo, recruited among Danish traitors after, most of the Danish policemen on September 19th 1944 were arrested and sent to concentration camps in Germany. Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. Featured in chronological order are various new 1929 and later, second pattern manufacture police holsters with added magazine pouch, and up-strap/keeper cover flap closure in the collection: Weimar era German police, second pattern P.08 Luger holster that is maker marked Paul Gldner Halle a.S. or Halle an der Saale (Halle on the Saale River) on the back and dated 1933. Erfurt Luger Unit Marking. Either the original placement of the holster body cleaning rod pouch/sleeve entrance lip was incredibly low, with the entrance lip being 46 m/m below the holster body spine edge entrance lip, requiring the addition of a 33 m/m length leather strip, raising the entrance to within 15 m/m of the holster body spine entrance lip. view 3. Pictured for comparison are two different examples of Artillery holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass studs with demonstrably different shapes and sizes or dimensions. Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Please help me with identifying those markings. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and when exposed (1096) NOTE: Photographs taken today The word itself 'HIPO' is a shortening in German of HIlfs-POlizei (i.e. What unit markings are on the pistol? 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. Many of its members (for example Pictured is a 1942 dated A. Fischer Berlin C.2 police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. Reportedly next to the remaining lot of 2,760 of these readied blank toggle pistols also a small quantity of unmarked toggles came from Berlin to Oberndorf. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. Pictured above are two books, Band I or Volume I Post Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Police Luger ? Additionally, since the subject holster body attached cleaning rod, cut-back from the original, approximately 230 m/m length to 180 m/m length (or 210 m/m total with the added 30 m/m section) leather pouch/sleeve is original to the holster body, as attested by the original stitching. The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. 12 - item 12 of the first centuria within command II in the German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 This gives him the inner support, the calm appearance in the deficiency, the sure success and thus an increased enthusiasm and love for the profession. An identical pistol variation is aptly described in Pistole Parabellum by Gortz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, V2, C23, P606, figure 546 text caption. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. 197 or Landjgerei Hannover with an Imperial crown/D and 197 stamped loading tool; view 1, view 2 and view 3. SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? DWM Luger Identification Guide. If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. Also, the same holster is pictured with a 1908/13 five-digit s/n commercial-military-police Luger. the center Police officer with a white colored belt. The magazine has a non matching serial number. by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:15, Post German Police Unit Marks, 1920-1937. Pictured is another modified example. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. Based on the wooden box style of the two examples, and the identical text font size and styles, that there are more of these cleaning kits with identical contents and that they are all, most likely made by the same German manufacturer. Weapon no. Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . Regarding the necessity to modify a cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is questioned, as the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, as stated earlier, was acquired with a Police steel shaft cleaning rod with brass stopper, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, albeit a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle. or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. These considerations must form the basis for the training of the police officer. Holster front view pictured with P.08. Thanks for the help. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. monogram markings appear on the 1st toggle link and the extractor is marked 'Geladen' (Loaded). Simson & Company - Suhl, Germany&break;4. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not rotating clockwise the short collar section, about 270 degrees by 1) rotating the threaded, knurled The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. Eagle/L proofed aluminum bottom magazine is not. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: Der amtliche Leitfaden fr preuische Polizeibeamte or The official guide for Prussian police officers. feared that an expanded police force would become a ready reserve for the He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. Clearly identified on the facing edge holster spine is a period artillery Luger cleaning rod pouch with brass stud and leather slit cover flap. It is identical to the 4mm conversion unit part that retains the barrel and may be one and the same. Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. Made by Mauser in 1936 for German Army. Other than the TBLAP published information that This is one heck of an obscure way to do it! It is very tiny. rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. (Schutzpolizei Berlin) 12022 Xd. Sind viele Uenderungen aus dem Gebiete des Staats=, Polizei= und Strafrechts eingetreten. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles.The use of these new style police cleaning rods, which coincidently are the last design and use of a wooden barrel handle cleaning rod for the P.08, is described by Sturgess in TBLAP, VIII, C19, pp 1331, 1332 as follows: Most were fitted with bell-shaped brass stops, soft soldered on their shafts, to give the correct length, 130 135mm approximately, for cleaning the barrel of the short P.08 when used with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector) which was then in police service. regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. The holster was obtained with a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft Sunburst S (1932-36), specifically made to be used with police Lugers. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of The kit is decidedly different in construction and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 fr Kal. All of this is conjecture of course but it stands up to close inspection. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. Der herausgeber. By the 19th century, disputes over the use of Fraktur or Antigua typeface became more heated and lasted until the middle of the 20th century. 45a and in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols a.k.a. pistols were rejected at the acceptance procedure it would explain that these were replaced with some pistols in the v block. Retains the original loops on the back for straps, no belt loops. The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Pictured is an (officers) Upper Silesian "Landespolizei" buckle. Thanks for the help. Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. All P-08 Military Lugers. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. were issued to. Mfg Part Number. Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Pictured is an unknown maker German Police regulations issued in 1930, and are shown in the following table. Ulle these re-regulations have been scrutinized when processing the second application and have made extensive changes necessary in some sections. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. 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The holster conversion was similar to the below example 2 except that it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008, and fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for Captain Ernst Roehm, future head of the SA [Sturmabteilung, a.k.a. )" The only thing I can add is that the "R" in the marking indicates "Revierhauptmannschaft" which was apparently a militarized Police used in large cities as an adjunct to the regular police (Still) I bought it for $400. 13. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. I own a u suffix luger with a blank toggle. Take care and thanks for the quick response. This is particularly believable as this holster was not for a primary combat activity. When identified, either gold or silver, some dated and maker marked, these Prussian State Police belt buckles are described as officer belt buckles and this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. Approximately 5 produced (2 originals known), not numbered. An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. 19-105, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price, Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster. He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. The weirdest part is the stamp on the inside back panel. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine and sear safety and an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver or Maillechort belt buckle marked FREISTAAT PREUSSEN or Free State of Prussia. Brown would be rural. For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline, MO 64658 USA.]. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. Pictured is a variation 1, spring loaded muzzle protector, which is the only one of two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army as indicated by the droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. Geit dem Frscheinen der ersten Uuslage im Febraur d. Zs. 31. Opinion 1: I have come across a very nice WW1 style holster that has some unusual markings. Most of these went to the German Police. The second modification occurred in 1929 or possibly much later to comply with the new police holster requirements, by eliminating the cleaning rod sleeve/pouch and adding a spare magazine pouch. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in for WWII , Hitler ordered the production of Lugers. This was removed and the hilt was shortened accordingly. Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to Brass stud added to the (cover) flap, additional brass stud added to the cleaning rod pouch. This was the largest of the HZa's and located in Bavaria. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. A sear safety has been added. Die neue Reichs= und die preusishe Bersassung haben bereits einige wichtige Orgnzungen ersahren: weitere Gestze sind in nachster Zeit zu erwarten. The bayonets are interesting, as most were produced during the 1920s during the Weimar period. From the Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess collection. Receiver proof, some post war reworked Lugers. It was . two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular Faint, illegible makers markings are stamped inside the cover flap. With his permission, I have posted it below. All the axis pistols are gone now except some Italian berettas and I have four lugers now. RARE W.W.II GERMAN POLICE LUGER MAUSER HOLSTER - OTTO STUERTZ ALLENSTEIN. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. 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